Comments for The Daydream Blog http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog The official blog of DayTime Software Thu, 02 Feb 2012 05:20:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on The Year of Hubris by Automotive JDM http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2007/09/the-year-of-hubris/comment-page-1#comment-359 Automotive JDM Thu, 02 Feb 2012 05:20:31 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2007/09/the-year-of-hubris#comment-359 It’s truly a great and helpful piece of information. I am satisfied that you just shared this helpful info with us. Please keep us up to date like this. Thank you for sharing. It’s truly a great and helpful piece of information. I am satisfied that you just shared this helpful info with us. Please keep us up to date like this. Thank you for sharing.

]]> Comment on The Accessible Mac-verse by Weekend Round-Up: Link Soup | ATMac http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2009/03/the-accessible-mac-verse/comment-page-1#comment-242 Weekend Round-Up: Link Soup | ATMac Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:00:44 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=93#comment-242 [...] has taken up Martin Pilkington’s accessible Mac software challenge, and also points out that accessible websites are a necessary part of the chain. The blog posts has links to sample code that Apple used at WWDC 2006 to demonstrate levels of [...] [...] has taken up Martin Pilkington’s accessible Mac software challenge, and also points out that accessible websites are a necessary part of the chain. The blog posts has links to sample code that Apple used at WWDC 2006 to demonstrate levels of [...]

]]> Comment on I’ll have your customers if you don’t want them by The Daydream Blog » Blog Archive » The Customer Is Always Right http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2009/04/ill-have-your-customers-if-you-dont-want-them/comment-page-1#comment-233 The Daydream Blog » Blog Archive » The Customer Is Always Right Thu, 07 May 2009 12:59:11 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=94#comment-233 [...] The Daydream Blog « I’ll have your customers if you don’t want them [...] [...] The Daydream Blog « I’ll have your customers if you don’t want them [...]

]]> Comment on I’ll have your customers if you don’t want them by Eric Suesz http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2009/04/ill-have-your-customers-if-you-dont-want-them/comment-page-1#comment-224 Eric Suesz Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:52:38 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=94#comment-224 Great alternate take on this. Great points. As someone who helps out with developing a Web application (Get Satisfaction, to be exact), I have the same kind of experience. We'll "fix" something, but it won't be live until "the next deploy". That could be in an hour, a day, a week. It all depends. What could really make this better is a resolution feature in our system, which we're working on right now. Giving the developer a way to say "this will be fixed as of [date]" and then asking the customer if they agree that it is fixed would help set expectations *and* compel the company to set good deadlines. Again, thanks for taking a different approach. Love to see multiple viewpoints. Great alternate take on this. Great points. As someone who helps out with developing a Web application (Get Satisfaction, to be exact), I have the same kind of experience. We’ll “fix” something, but it won’t be live until “the next deploy”. That could be in an hour, a day, a week. It all depends.

What could really make this better is a resolution feature in our system, which we’re working on right now. Giving the developer a way to say “this will be fixed as of [date]” and then asking the customer if they agree that it is fixed would help set expectations *and* compel the company to set good deadlines.

Again, thanks for taking a different approach. Love to see multiple viewpoints.

]]> Comment on Where did we all go? by Daniel Jalkut http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2009/03/where-did-we-all-go/comment-page-1#comment-220 Daniel Jalkut Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:33:52 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=92#comment-220 Hi Sanjay - sorry to hear about your father passing away. For me, the explanations are partly as you suggest, the iPhone and new projects to be working and focusing on. But I've also got a new baby in the house who is squeezing a lot of the spare time right out of my schedule :) I hope to get back into a rhythm one of these days. Daniel Hi Sanjay – sorry to hear about your father passing away.

For me, the explanations are partly as you suggest, the iPhone and new projects to be working and focusing on. But I’ve also got a new baby in the house who is squeezing a lot of the spare time right out of my schedule :)

I hope to get back into a rhythm one of these days.

Daniel

]]> Comment on Mojave, Vista and Midori: Osbourne Redux? by The Daydream Blog » Blog Archive » Microsoft Thinking Different? http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2008/08/mojave-vista-and-midori-osbourne-redux/comment-page-1#comment-191 The Daydream Blog » Blog Archive » Microsoft Thinking Different? Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:02:40 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=90#comment-191 [...] The Daydream Blog « Mojave, Vista and Midori: Osbourne Redux? [...] [...] The Daydream Blog « Mojave, Vista and Midori: Osbourne Redux? [...]

]]> Comment on Unlearning Cocoa by Cocoa Nut » Unlearning Cocoa http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2008/07/unlearning-cocoa/comment-page-1#comment-182 Cocoa Nut » Unlearning Cocoa Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:32:48 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=87#comment-182 [...] the whole post here. Share and [...] [...] the whole post here. Share and [...]

]]> Comment on Unlearning Cocoa by warren http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2008/07/unlearning-cocoa/comment-page-1#comment-167 warren Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:47:05 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=87#comment-167 I agree with every positive point made about Cocoa. The only point I am whole-heartedly disagreeing is this one: ".... It does not. " Every time I've forced myself to unlearn a bunch of habits that served me well in one place, and relearn a different set of habits, I have been richly rewarded. But "no learning curve"? Puh-leeze. Warren I agree with every positive point made about Cocoa.

The only point I am whole-heartedly disagreeing is this one:

“…. It does not. ”

Every time I’ve forced myself to unlearn a bunch of habits that served me well in one place, and relearn a different set of habits, I have been richly rewarded.

But “no learning curve”? Puh-leeze.

Warren

]]> Comment on Unlearning Cocoa by Sanjay Samani http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2008/07/unlearning-cocoa/comment-page-1#comment-166 Sanjay Samani Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:23:46 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=87#comment-166 @warren, I didn't describe "every other set of standards, rules and ideas for every other platform [as] inherently ‘worse’". On the contrary, I have often argued that Apple could do much more to learn from other development tool chains. My point was that to learn Cocoa, you have to put aside your past experience and approach it fresh. If you expect Cocoa to work in a particular way, you often find yourself struggling and frustrated. When you do understand how something works, it is often easy, sensible, clean and self consistent, just different from what you might have expected. Therefore, putting aside your past experience makes the Cocoa learning process easier. I am not trying to argue whether one method is better than the other. As to your specific points, I would suggest you read Kevin Hoffman's post linked at the top of the article, as he has experience with "Windows, and multiple frameworks and multiple types of development" and tackles many of the points you raise from a perspective that you may appreciate. @warren, I didn’t describe “every other set of standards, rules and ideas for every other platform [as] inherently ‘worse’”. On the contrary, I have often argued that Apple could do much more to learn from other development tool chains.

My point was that to learn Cocoa, you have to put aside your past experience and approach it fresh. If you expect Cocoa to work in a particular way, you often find yourself struggling and frustrated. When you do understand how something works, it is often easy, sensible, clean and self consistent, just different from what you might have expected. Therefore, putting aside your past experience makes the Cocoa learning process easier.

I am not trying to argue whether one method is better than the other.

As to your specific points, I would suggest you read Kevin Hoffman’s post linked at the top of the article, as he has experience with “Windows, and multiple frameworks and multiple types of development” and tackles many of the points you raise from a perspective that you may appreciate.

]]> Comment on Unlearning Cocoa by rsfinn http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/2008/07/unlearning-cocoa/comment-page-1#comment-165 rsfinn Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:07:17 +0000 http://www.daytimesoftware.com/blog/?p=87#comment-165 Describing Interface Builder as "a separate dialog box editing tool that has extremely crappy code generation capabilities" shows that you've missed the point of Interface Builder. "You may love and understand and accept XCode+Cocoa+ObjectiveC, and thus you are completely biased" -- but if you hate and fear it, you're completely unbiased and objective? Nonsense. "Take someone who has ... zero Cocoa/NextStep experience, and there is indeed a very steep learning curve." Compared to someone who "understands" Cocoa? Well, yes; that's very insightful of you. "Only a completely mac-centric snob would pretend that every other set of standards, rules and ideas for every other platform are inherently 'worse'" -- Paging Artie McStrawman... Seriously, you make some good points, once the reader gets past the attitude. For many people whose background is in other programming environments, Cocoa is indeed a challenge to learn. For some, who have waited years to find an environment that more closely matches their own mental model of how programming should be, Cocoa is like a breath of fresh air -- and *those* people are going to thrive in the new environment, while the others struggle. Describing Interface Builder as “a separate dialog box editing tool that has extremely crappy code generation capabilities” shows that you’ve missed the point of Interface Builder.

“You may love and understand and accept XCode+Cocoa+ObjectiveC, and thus you are completely biased” — but if you hate and fear it, you’re completely unbiased and objective? Nonsense.

“Take someone who has … zero Cocoa/NextStep experience, and there is indeed a very steep learning curve.” Compared to someone who “understands” Cocoa? Well, yes; that’s very insightful of you.

“Only a completely mac-centric snob would pretend that every other set of standards, rules and ideas for every other platform are inherently ‘worse’” — Paging Artie McStrawman…

Seriously, you make some good points, once the reader gets past the attitude. For many people whose background is in other programming environments, Cocoa is indeed a challenge to learn. For some, who have waited years to find an environment that more closely matches their own mental model of how programming should be, Cocoa is like a breath of fresh air — and *those* people are going to thrive in the new environment, while the others struggle.

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